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annomandaris
Posts: 18 Location: Exeter |
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well the UK's not far behind. some counties have banned any public celebrations of christmas(no father christmas in shopping centres, no city decorations, etc) because 'It is offensive to other ethnic groups to have the cultures of another thrust upon them' to which I reply you chose to live in England, you should respect our customs and heritage, we have to respect yours. |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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what bothers me in the U.S. is that when you offend someone they go "You're doing this to me because i'm [insert race here]" it's quite annoying, because i'm offending them because of their personal character rather than their race...
ironically they're being racist themselves |
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Randall Miyashiro
 Posts: 2451 Location: A block away from Golden Gate Park |
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Gasaraki doesn't potray America in the best light. It feels more a statement on the government than on the people. There is also the idea of America being out of control in Brain Powerd. I believe that the US breaks away from the UN or something to that point in the backstory, although it has been a number of years since I've seen it.
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Ohoni
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There's no hurry, they could use a few decades of negative population growth, it is a small country with limited rsources.
I'm sorry, I just can't blame Japanese people for not including black people, or for screwing them up when they do. One of the first things taught in writing classes is to write what you know, and most Japanese people don't know any black people. Anything they put into a show would be heresay. Boondocks works because it was created by Aaron McGruder, who is black himself, and likely knows a lot of other black people, NOT the typical anime creator's experience. Besides, most anime takes place in Japan, or in Japan-esc fictional worlds, and while Japan does have some black people, they're hardly as ubiquitous there as they are in America, or many parts of Europe, so shoehorning them into even 5% of animes would be a real stretch.
Yes, this is generally because of the exotic nature of it. A blonde, blue eyed character is clearly not fully Japanese (or has altered his appearance), since no Japanese person is naturally blonde or blue eyed. It's a curiosity, and also a good way if differentiating which characters are foreigners in a given series. As to the over topic, is anime racist? Yeah. The Japanese people are racist. That isn't always a bad thing, because their racisim sometimes presents in good ways (ie reverance for another race rather than hatred, but either is prejudice based on race), but they do, as a culture, tend to put a lot importance on race. There are exceptions of course, there are plenty of Japanese people who do not particularly judge on race, but most do. I don't think anime's representation of black people is negative racism though, it's more justifiable ignorance than it is hatred or even dislike. |
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Mohawk52
 Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Last edited by Mohawk52 on Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:03 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Animefan16
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I usually don't agree with what Ohoni says but in this case, I do. I never had a problem with how blacks were drawn because most of the people in Japan have only seen Blacks in american movies and TV shoes.
While sometimes racism in Japan does seem like it's more of them admiring people of other races than hating them, it is still problem. Besides the success of the two racist mangas, "Hating anything South Korean" and "Introduction to China" and the fact that some places ban foreigners, there's also the fact that many kids who aren't ethnically Japanese that live in Japan are bullied. I watched a documentary about how the Tokugawa era influenced modern Japanese society. It said that many of the kids who are bullied in schools are not Japanese or japanese students who lived overseas. But it was an old documentary from the 1980s so things might have changed. Tokyo's governer a few years was racist. He said that blacks had low IQ. He also said that China should be divided. Here's some of his other comments: http://www1.jca.apc.org/anti-hinokimi/archive/ishihara/eindex.html |
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AHZ
 Posts: 166 Location: Metro Detroit |
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That's bull. Why can't you blame them? There is a such thing as education. If you don't know about a particular group of people, then you can learn about them. It's not out of the ordinary for creators to take a trip to a specific location in order to do research for history and art direction to insure that their depiction is as true as possible. Why can't they take the same approach to learning about people--which is far more important.
Ignorance is apart of racism. Though I agree it's not out of hatred. It is, however, a lack of willingness to learn. |
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Pleroma
 Posts: 443 Location: Eromanga island |
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Unless the setting of the story is in a place that has a lot of black people who are important to the story I fail to see the point on forcing research on people. Drawing black people the way they do doesn't remotely affect the japanese consumer base and only a tiny, tiny % of foreign consumers hence the research is not justified.
If you mean that they should do this just for the sake of learning then that it no more reasonable than expecting people in the US to know about some obscure asian racial sub-groups that you are unlikey to ever come into contact with. The Japanese have no need to deal with sensitive black people, so they don't. |
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Zalis116
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It's funny, I was reading volume 5 of Alice 19th, and came across something that reminded me of this post. At one point, a black character appears, and it's almost like running through a checklist:
-flips people off for no apparent reason -wears baggy jeans, big sneakers, black (leather?) jacket -has some dreadlock braids -mistakenly almost attacks the good guys (meaning he's brash, impulsive, not thoughtful) -and of course, is from the U.S. Even so, the actual art style is decent--there are none of the stereotypical features that have been discussed in this thread, so I don't consider it "racist"; just in some ways typical of the perceptions of Americans. |
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Heishirou Tennou
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Shintaro Ishihara has a history of being a racist A$$HOLE. He refers Chinese and Korean with the insulting word "Sangokujin", and supports discrimination against them. He also a demented person, he denies the Rape of Nanjing and Women forced to Prostitution in WWII ever happened. He totally loves to honor his demon god, Hideki Tojo. Anyways, Anime and Manga were inspired by old American animation. Old American animations were very racist at those times. That's why you have the stereotypical Jim-Crow style Black people in Anime and Manga. I believe the creators didn't ment there creations (or themselves) to be viewed as racist. That's how they been drawing like that for many years. It seems more that it's America's fault that Anime and Manga has those Jim-Crow style Blacks. |
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shirokiryuu
Posts: 714 Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area) |
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Blacks are stereotyped in japan (as least by kids)
remember the editorials? http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher.html |
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Sabakyuu
 Posts: 47 Location: Canada |
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Ok this is interesting...so are the african americans that live in japan isolated or what?
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The Frankman
 Posts: 1160 Location: Binary Culture HQ |
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OH COME ON, HERE. I can't believe half of what I read! Now I won't hit everything because I'm strapped for time (see MTA Transit Strike) but man . . .
Again, I don't care if there aren't many blacks, just draw them correctly. Again, NOT A HERCULEAN FEAT PEOPLE. Also shirokiryuu, notice how a lot of the times the tan skinned, blond-haired girl is the mean one? As far as the racially oversensitive comment, let's go to the videotape.
Bull. Google Images on Black people or buy a webcam. I guess this is a bad time to mention the 2.5 years my sis spent in Korea the times when Koreans kept coming up to her asking to see her tail. I only wish I was joking. Knowlege is power. |
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technomike
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Japan is a much-closed society and foreigners are not welcomed.
See: http://www.tabunka.org/ or http://www.debito.org/activistspage.html Moreover, we tend to believe we are the chosen ones. Well I don’t, but my father thought that way. Hint: WW II and the alliance with Germany.
Not only foreigners are blonde and blue-eyed, but also the main characters themselves are blond and blue eyed. I find that amusing since the natives are totally the opposite. Western culture has greatly influenced Japan, especially with Hip-Hop and now Latin with the young people. But overall, depiction of other minorities such Latino, Indian or African American are not very flattering. I find that European culture it most dominant. As an Asian, I find it disturbing that we elevate the European standard of beauty above our own beauty. The effects are young girls gluing their eyelids to obtain that double lid or “round eye look”. Furthermore, videos that depict only Whites or animation illustrations of Whites on an Asian land. On the other hand, in American society, it is the reverse. No matter what the degrees of political correctness, if you are Asian or any other minority, you will be reminded constantly that you are “different” and you are excluded. I find it amusing that people always infer that African Americans are they only ones who are always the victims of race. It was not to long ago when the cartoons of the yellow slant-eyed bucktooth “Japanese” or “Gook”. Moreover, the racial slur “Gook” generally is frequently used. Just ask Michelle Malkin or Chai Soua Vang. Last edited by technomike on Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:38 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tony K.
 SubscriberModerator  Posts: 11311 Location: Frisco, TX |
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I haven't read each post in detail, but did skim over them. And I haven't seen this in the thread, but remember another topic talking about the "conspiracy theory" of Blood+ where the U.S military is portrayed as pushy, overexerting, and maybe even villainous.
There's one particular plot element that can be argued as a sort of representation of how Americans are perceived. Apparently, spoiler[ the U.S military is making a chemical that turns people into monsters and always trying to cover up deaths or other incidents ever involving these creatures]. Actually, I believe there may also be some French people that are working with the U.S, but they haven't formally written out that relationship into the series yet. |
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